Minggu, 21 Juni 2009

Response to the Möbius Defense

One of you asked me to comment on Pete Herzog's "Möbius Defense". I like Lego blocks, but I don't find the presentation to be especially compelling.


  1. Pete seems to believe that NSA developed "defense in depth" (DiD) as a strategy to defend DoD networks after some sort of catastrophic compromise in the 1970s. DiD as a strategy has existed for thousands of years. DiD was applied to military information well before computers existed, and to the computers of the time before the 1970s as well.

  2. Pete says DiD is

    "all about delaying rather than preventing the advance of an attacker... buying time and causing additional casualties by yielding space... DiD relies on an attacker to lose momentum over time or spread out and thin its massive numbers as it needs to traverse a large area... All the while, various units are positioned to harm the attacker and either cause enough losses in resources to force a retreat or capture individual soldiers as a means of thinning their numbers."

    That's certainly one way to look at DiD, but it certainly isn't the only way. Unfortunately, Pete stands up this straw man only to knock it down later.

  3. Pete next says

    "Multiple lines of defense are situated to prevent various threats from penetrating by defeating one line of defense. 'Successive layers of defense will cause an adversary who penetrates or breaks down one barrier to promptly encounter another Defense-In-Depth barrier, and then another, until the attack ends.'"

    It would be nice to know who he is quoting, but I determined it is some NSA document because I found other people quoting it. I don't necessarily agree with this statement, because plenty of attacks succeed. This means I agree with Pete's criticism here.

  4. So what's the deal with Möbius? Pete says:

    "The modern network looks like a Moebius strip. Interactions with the outside happen at the desktop, the server, the laptop, the disks, the applications, and somewhere out there in the CLOUD. So where is the depth? There is none. A modern network throws all its fight out at once."

    I believe the first section is party correct. The modern enterprise does have many interactions that occur outside of the attack model (if any) imagined by the defenders. The second section is wrong. Although there may be little to no depth in some sections (say my Blackberry) there is plenty of depth elsewhere (at the desktop, if properly defended). The third section is partly correct in the sense that any defense that happens generally occurs at Internet speed, at least as far as exploitation goes. Later phases (detection and response) do not happen all at once. That means time is a huge component of enterprise defense; comprehensive defense doesn't happen all at once.

  5. Pete then cites "Guerrilla Warfare and Special Forces Operations" as a new defensive alternative to DiD, but then really doesn't say anything you haven't heard before. He mentions counterintelligence but that isn't new either.


I've talked about DiD in posts like Mesh vs Chain, Lessons from the Military, and Data Leakage Protection Thoughts.

I think it is good for people to consider different approaches to digital security, but I don't find this approach to be all that clever.


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